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« on: February 06, 2008, 08:01:35 PM »

Ok since it looks like we're almost an official RC18R fan club Cheesy  I guess I'll go ahead and divulge some of my sources.

www.TheToyz.com - great webstore with everything you need. Nice ability to sort items by car chassis and then again by category - such as suspension or steering. The forums there are excellent too. Only downside is that they seem to keep a low inventory and items are often sold out.

www.AtomicMods.com - Good store, a bit pricey, but it's there. The forums are pretty much dead but there is a bit of information there still.

www.one18th.com - Great source of information on the forums and front page. Very active forums for pretty much every type of mini and micro.

www.e-maxximumrc.com/html/rc18t.html - top secret Wink Excellent place to start on the minimum upgrades.

www.competitionx.com/Support/Sup1.html - <sigh> ok I have no more secrets. Awesome stuff here, including setup sheets from some world championships of the past.

Pretty much anything that applies to the 18t applies to the 18r. The obvious exceptions are that the R has shorter a-arms and stub axles, and uses the rear shocks on all four points. Other than that and the shock towers, ALL parts are interchangable between the T, B, MT, and R versions. So.. all setup tips apply as well.

My opinion on first upgrades:

1. Steering. Biggest weakness of the stock RC18s. There is a lot of slop in the steering assembly in several places. This makes it hard to get predictable steering, makes the RC 'wander' on the straights, and sometimes it won't straighten out from a turn. Several items to fix here:
a) Servo saver. The servo saver has a plastic "C" clip that holds the steering arm to the servo arm. This plastic is intentionally soft, which helps to absorb some shock and prevent stripping servo gears. I used some small o-rings around this assembly to tighten it up, which worked. Too well.. I stripped the stock servo the first time out with this on. Get the metal bands available from TheToyz.
b) Drag link. The steering rack is just two plastic towers mounted on swivels with another plastic section going between them. These towers have balljoints mounted on them that attach to the steering arms that attach to the wheel hubs. All of that plastic means a lot of bend and slop, replace this with a metal draglink from 3racing. These have been out of stock everyone for at least two months, so good luck?
c) Steering assembly (rack). Same system mentioned in b. Replace the entire assembly with a metal steering assembly with bearings from 3racing. Rejoice.
d) Steering servo. The stock servo is actually very good - transit time of .10 seconds and I think 22 oz torque at 6v. The only downside is it has plastic gears that will strip eventually, especially if you take the slop out with the above items. There is an awesome thread on www.one18th.com/forums that has a list of steering servos that will work. Almost all of them require some modification to work, except the Hitec HS56, which I use. I bought the HB version which is Carbonite gears. The MG version with metal gears is better, but hard to find. The best servo overall is the Hitec HS65MG - but there are mounting issues. Read the thread for the lowdown, it's not an easy task. Your reward if you go that route? 25 oz of torque Smiley

2. MIP super diffs x 2. Need one set for the front diff and one for the rear diff. Great setup, fairly easy install.

3. MIP CVDs x 2. Again, one pair in the front and one in the rear. Be sure to get the 18R version, they are shorter than the T/MT/B version. The stock dogbones are plastic, and although they are suprisingly sturdy for plastic, you're going to chew them up eventually.

4. Steel/Titanium turnbuckles. Simple enough - the stock setup is not adjustable. Again, the R versions are shorter than the T/MT/B version so be sure to get the right one!

Keep in mind that the 18R out of the box is really a great driver - one of the best RTRs that I've ever seen. None of the above is required, just giving an idea of where to look first. Many of these items are simply durability upgrades so you could just wait until you break the stock pieces before doing the upgrade.

That's all I'm saying for now  Cool
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2008, 08:11:27 PM »

Thanks Chris!
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2008, 08:39:44 PM »

Or... you guys could just ask me... :twisted:

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2008, 09:08:14 PM »

Quote from: "Threadlocker"
Or... you guys could just ask me... :twisted:

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So do two 2nds equal a 1st and a 3rd?   Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2008, 09:18:53 PM »

im really pumped running a 31.90 1st time driving the car and winning by 4 laps
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2008, 09:30:38 PM »

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im really pumped running a 31.90 1st time driving the car and winning by 4 laps

Umm...that's 3 laps buddy. I'm sure of what I ran in stock.  :lol:
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2008, 09:34:41 PM »

i counted 31 laps but my counter said 30.... lol im sure of that but ill go with 3 laps because i cant count my own laps...grudge match next week..hehe  its on
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2008, 09:59:01 PM »

I was 16 laps down.. I made up quite a few of them.. just ran out of time. Shane you did do well for the first time on the track..I wont lie to you guys I ran prabably 100 laps Saturday afternoon once we got the rails in place..Im still not happy with my tire combo...Ill figure it out soon

Steve
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2008, 10:10:52 PM »

tires is gonna be a big issue, if you get the 18r hooked up its gonna fly
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2008, 06:28:58 AM »

Do you guys think that we have taken some of the grip out of the track (sand)?
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2008, 03:06:27 PM »

I wouldn't think that was possible, but I do agree the track was slicker this week than last. It's hard for me to compare as I was running different tires and that could be part or all of it, but I couldn't hold the sweeper like I did the week before.

I did hear several other mentioning that the track felt looser this week, it might be the sand on top getting dug out, dust/oil, or just that it seems that way as we are pushing the cars harder each week.
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2008, 04:08:32 PM »

I think it was dust. I wasn't able to do anything with the new Street Meats and they were the ticket last week. They hooked up good at first, but as soon as they turned "gray" all it would do was spin. It's going to become a dirt racer again if it doesn't get coaught up in a trade.
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2008, 11:12:51 PM »

Ya know guys thats the beauty of racing. I have raced cars etc all my life..And after running the same dirt track for several years off and on I have never raced there and the track was the same each time.. Weather/moisture/heat/dust/sand all have an effect on not just that track..any track. I actually like the track better because the new rails around it actually made you have to "drive" not just sling around and bounce off things.. and get turned around in the right direction..no offence to anyone ..just making a point.

I think you will see over the next few times we run on that track, it will not be about how much speed etc.. it will be how your cars/trucks are set up and how consistant you can be driving your car. Thats what I love about racing

My cars ran extremly good Sunday, Ill bet you just about anything they wont be that good the next time we run.. if I keep the same setup..

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2008, 11:31:13 PM »

Well, I got my 18R converted over to work with my Spektrum RX. I used one of these:

http://www.dynamiterc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=DYN4927

Tiny little thing and it seems to work great. I still need to test it somewhere other than my living room, but so far so good.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2008, 07:51:11 AM »

The ol boy at the Hobby Stop hooked me up with one of those the other day for mine. I have not gotten the chance to use it yet.. will probably run my AE setup on Sunday.. Ill be working on a lil prototype 10th scale surprise for you boys..Still a few bugs to work out..

Steve
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